1 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,070 ken lana state tell me yeah 2 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:21,670 right good evening everybody thank you 3 00:00:25,910 --> 00:00:23,600 very much for attending this the seventh 4 00:00:27,750 --> 00:00:25,920 meeting in the swansea ufo network i 5 00:00:29,910 --> 00:00:27,760 can't believe the club has been running 6 00:00:31,189 --> 00:00:29,920 for seven months now um i'd like to 7 00:00:32,870 --> 00:00:31,199 thank you all for your continued 8 00:00:34,069 --> 00:00:32,880 interest and your support thank you very 9 00:00:35,910 --> 00:00:34,079 much 10 00:00:37,590 --> 00:00:35,920 so uh tonight once again we got the 11 00:00:39,270 --> 00:00:37,600 pleasure of uh 12 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:39,280 brian harry 13 00:00:43,430 --> 00:00:40,960 uh brian's attended the club from the 14 00:00:44,950 --> 00:00:43,440 very start of proceedings and at an 15 00:00:46,630 --> 00:00:44,960 earlier meeting 16 00:00:48,869 --> 00:00:46,640 he's already shared with us details of a 17 00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:48,879 very interesting ufo sight he had in the 18 00:00:53,350 --> 00:00:52,000 cray area if you remember that 19 00:00:54,790 --> 00:00:53,360 now i'm really looking forward to this 20 00:00:57,270 --> 00:00:54,800 because tonight he's going to discuss 21 00:00:59,110 --> 00:00:57,280 the subject of crop circles and his own 22 00:01:01,430 --> 00:00:59,120 experiences in the field excuse the 23 00:01:04,549 --> 00:01:03,110 after that then as emin said he'd be 24 00:01:06,630 --> 00:01:04,559 bringing you up to date with the latest 25 00:01:08,070 --> 00:01:06,640 local incidents and sightings and 26 00:01:11,190 --> 00:01:08,080 discussing some interesting new 27 00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:11,200 developments involved in this club 28 00:01:13,830 --> 00:01:12,960 now before that i'm going to bore you 29 00:01:20,550 --> 00:01:13,840 with 30 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:20,560 now in the past i've touched on 31 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:22,560 such subjects as the history of ufo 32 00:01:29,830 --> 00:01:26,080 sightings commercial airliners and ufos 33 00:01:31,510 --> 00:01:29,840 the belgium ufo wave usos or identified 34 00:01:33,429 --> 00:01:31,520 submerged objects 35 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:33,439 and also the controversial subject of 36 00:01:41,510 --> 00:01:39,429 now although the subject of ufos is 37 00:01:43,190 --> 00:01:41,520 prodigious 38 00:01:45,749 --> 00:01:43,200 it can be somewhat difficult to find an 39 00:01:47,830 --> 00:01:45,759 aspect of it to discuss with you 40 00:01:49,830 --> 00:01:47,840 that you can't easily find already found 41 00:01:52,789 --> 00:01:49,840 on the internet so forgive me if you've 42 00:01:54,710 --> 00:01:52,799 already delved into tonight's topic 43 00:01:58,709 --> 00:01:54,720 and you may have a greater understanding 44 00:02:06,230 --> 00:02:00,389 anyway tonight i'm going to tentatively 45 00:02:11,110 --> 00:02:08,790 now then 46 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:11,120 i suppose if you're a ufo skeptic then 47 00:02:15,830 --> 00:02:13,040 the biggest repudiation of the subject 48 00:02:18,229 --> 00:02:15,840 would be to say something like 49 00:02:20,229 --> 00:02:18,239 ufos cannot exist 50 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:20,239 as the nearest known planet capable of 51 00:02:24,309 --> 00:02:22,720 supporting life is approximately 4.2 52 00:02:26,390 --> 00:02:24,319 light years away 53 00:02:30,390 --> 00:02:26,400 which consequently means no spacecraft 54 00:02:34,550 --> 00:02:32,869 and given the con current extent of our 55 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:34,560 scientific knowledge i can understand 56 00:02:39,589 --> 00:02:37,599 that viewpoint 57 00:02:41,589 --> 00:02:39,599 however as far as i'm concerned and most 58 00:02:43,350 --> 00:02:41,599 of the people in this room are concerned 59 00:02:44,949 --> 00:02:43,360 and millions of people around the world 60 00:02:46,949 --> 00:02:44,959 are concerned 61 00:02:48,070 --> 00:02:46,959 and surreptitiously heads of certain 62 00:02:50,869 --> 00:02:48,080 governments around the world are 63 00:02:53,750 --> 00:02:50,879 concerned given the undeniable multitude 64 00:02:56,150 --> 00:02:53,760 of worldwide ufo ufo sightings made on a 65 00:02:57,550 --> 00:02:56,160 daily basis 66 00:03:01,509 --> 00:02:57,560 that statement i would say is 67 00:03:05,110 --> 00:03:03,430 so if one is to accept the fact that we 68 00:03:07,509 --> 00:03:05,120 are being visited by craft from other 69 00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:07,519 planets where are they coming from and 70 00:03:11,830 --> 00:03:09,920 how are they getting here 71 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:11,840 now as much as i'd like to say i know 72 00:03:15,509 --> 00:03:14,000 the answer unfortunately i don't 73 00:03:18,309 --> 00:03:15,519 but maybe we can touch on a few 74 00:03:19,670 --> 00:03:18,319 hypotheses 75 00:03:21,509 --> 00:03:19,680 now let me say straight away that i 76 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:21,519 don't necessarily believe in all or any 77 00:03:24,949 --> 00:03:23,120 of the following theories although 78 00:03:26,550 --> 00:03:24,959 there's many that do so let's go through 79 00:03:29,750 --> 00:03:26,560 them 80 00:03:31,589 --> 00:03:29,760 firstly where are the craft coming from 81 00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:31,599 are they traveling great distances or 82 00:03:35,509 --> 00:03:33,200 are they coming from somewhere not that 83 00:03:37,190 --> 00:03:35,519 far away 84 00:03:38,789 --> 00:03:37,200 well we've already discussed in a 85 00:03:41,509 --> 00:03:38,799 previous meeting the possibility of 86 00:03:42,949 --> 00:03:41,519 underground bases on our own planet and 87 00:03:45,509 --> 00:03:42,959 the many sightings there have been of 88 00:03:48,630 --> 00:03:45,519 ufos and usos 89 00:03:50,390 --> 00:03:48,640 and exiting the arctic the antarctic and 90 00:03:53,110 --> 00:03:50,400 many underwater areas around their own 91 00:03:55,990 --> 00:03:54,309 if you listen to some people's 92 00:03:57,509 --> 00:03:56,000 viewpoints even the dark side or the 93 00:04:00,309 --> 00:03:57,519 undersurface of our own moon is a 94 00:04:01,830 --> 00:04:00,319 possible contender 95 00:04:03,750 --> 00:04:01,840 there's been much discussion about the 96 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:03,760 strange-looking structures photographed 97 00:04:07,750 --> 00:04:06,239 on the moon 98 00:04:09,350 --> 00:04:07,760 there's also the theory that our own 99 00:04:10,789 --> 00:04:09,360 astronauts were warned of further 100 00:04:14,470 --> 00:04:10,799 visiting the moon by entities they 101 00:04:17,670 --> 00:04:16,069 so what about mars 102 00:04:19,430 --> 00:04:17,680 well here again there are peculiar 103 00:04:20,949 --> 00:04:19,440 photographs of weird structures on the 104 00:04:22,390 --> 00:04:20,959 surface of the planet 105 00:04:24,230 --> 00:04:22,400 which as many of you were telling the 106 00:04:26,230 --> 00:04:24,240 very interesting discussion given by mr 107 00:04:28,550 --> 00:04:26,240 howard middleton jones will remember 108 00:04:30,390 --> 00:04:28,560 they were outlined by him together with 109 00:04:33,990 --> 00:04:30,400 a hypothesis that mars may well have 110 00:04:36,870 --> 00:04:34,000 been inhabited a very long time ago 111 00:04:39,189 --> 00:04:36,880 there is in fact an unnatural bulge 112 00:04:42,629 --> 00:04:39,199 at the martian equator which some have 113 00:04:45,110 --> 00:04:42,639 suggested maybe an artificial dome 114 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:45,120 one of its moons phobos has a peculiar 115 00:04:48,950 --> 00:04:47,840 orbit apparently violating usual natural 116 00:04:51,270 --> 00:04:48,960 laws 117 00:04:53,909 --> 00:04:51,280 full boss orbits mars faster than the 118 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:53,919 planet turns on its actual axis 119 00:04:57,510 --> 00:04:55,680 and this together without other factors 120 00:05:00,550 --> 00:04:57,520 has led to the belief that phobos is in 121 00:05:03,350 --> 00:05:00,560 fact a 10 mile wide hollow artificial 122 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:03,360 spacecraft or orbiting shelter contains 123 00:05:10,469 --> 00:05:09,189 and what of the international space 124 00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:10,479 station 125 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:12,400 and the constant array of live video 126 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:14,160 footage of strange objects regularly 127 00:05:17,510 --> 00:05:15,759 passing nearby 128 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:17,520 and on some occasions as we know the 129 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:19,360 live feed showing them mysteriously 130 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:25,510 now mr middleton jones also discussed 131 00:05:29,990 --> 00:05:28,160 the subject of solar anomalies showing 132 00:05:32,150 --> 00:05:30,000 us some very interesting photographs of 133 00:05:34,629 --> 00:05:32,160 strange objects flying past 134 00:05:39,670 --> 00:05:34,639 and into and out of the sun causing 135 00:05:43,590 --> 00:05:41,270 right that brings us nicely onto another 136 00:05:45,830 --> 00:05:43,600 hypothesis if these craft are travelling 137 00:05:48,390 --> 00:05:45,840 great distances how are they reaching us 138 00:05:50,469 --> 00:05:48,400 with apparent ease 139 00:05:53,189 --> 00:05:50,479 is traveling faster than the speed of 140 00:05:54,629 --> 00:05:53,199 light possible 141 00:05:56,230 --> 00:05:54,639 well every school boy knows that all 142 00:05:58,150 --> 00:05:56,240 you've got to do is simply lean forward 143 00:06:00,629 --> 00:05:58,160 in the captain's chair say what factor 144 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:00,639 nine engage and off you boldly go where 145 00:06:04,629 --> 00:06:03,039 no man has gotten before 146 00:06:06,390 --> 00:06:04,639 of course anyone who has the slightest 147 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:06,400 grounding in science knows that this is 148 00:06:10,550 --> 00:06:09,120 scientifically impossible you cannot try 149 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:10,560 to travel faster than light because 150 00:06:15,670 --> 00:06:13,120 einstein said so 151 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:15,680 there's a perfectly good reason for this 152 00:06:19,350 --> 00:06:18,000 as an object increases in speed its mass 153 00:06:21,189 --> 00:06:19,360 increases 154 00:06:23,430 --> 00:06:21,199 this is not merely theoretical it has 155 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:23,440 been observed in particle accelerators 156 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:25,840 like that at cern in switzerland 157 00:06:30,309 --> 00:06:27,680 speed up an electron and its mass 158 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:30,319 increases as it approaches light speed 159 00:06:34,469 --> 00:06:32,319 its mass approaches being infinitely 160 00:06:36,309 --> 00:06:34,479 large just to keep its speed it would 161 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:36,319 thus need all the energy in the universe 162 00:06:39,510 --> 00:06:37,680 to propel it 163 00:06:42,230 --> 00:06:39,520 cleveland this is not on whatever 164 00:06:43,990 --> 00:06:42,240 captain kirk says 165 00:06:45,749 --> 00:06:44,000 perhaps science might discover new 166 00:06:47,749 --> 00:06:45,759 methods of propulsion 167 00:06:50,950 --> 00:06:47,759 scotty's fable the lithium crystals 168 00:06:53,430 --> 00:06:50,960 perhaps or a mata antimatter reactor 169 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:53,440 sadly there is no crystal or a reactor 170 00:06:57,990 --> 00:06:55,039 that can get around the speed of light 171 00:07:01,990 --> 00:07:00,230 perhaps electromagnetic force may be the 172 00:07:03,909 --> 00:07:02,000 answer there was certainly a great deal 173 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:03,919 of research going on at this time and to 174 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:05,440 develop in this form of power as a 175 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:13,430 so what about the idea of bend in space 176 00:07:17,670 --> 00:07:15,520 well there is a concept which was first 177 00:07:19,589 --> 00:07:17,680 suggested by russian physicist andrei 178 00:07:21,430 --> 00:07:19,599 sakharov 179 00:07:23,670 --> 00:07:21,440 he put forward the theory that space is 180 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:23,680 not empty but is full of energy 181 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:26,080 the so-called zero point field 182 00:07:30,629 --> 00:07:27,840 that suggestion has been taken up by 183 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:30,639 four other physicists in the usa one of 184 00:07:35,029 --> 00:07:32,800 which is an astrophysicist working at 185 00:07:37,510 --> 00:07:35,039 lockheed's clandestine research 186 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:37,520 laboratories 187 00:07:41,510 --> 00:07:39,120 they published an article entitled 188 00:07:42,469 --> 00:07:41,520 inertia as a zero-point field lawrence 189 00:07:46,150 --> 00:07:42,479 force 190 00:07:47,589 --> 00:07:46,160 lawrence being electromagnetic 191 00:07:49,749 --> 00:07:47,599 and it offered a radically new 192 00:07:52,629 --> 00:07:49,759 interpretation of the origin of the 193 00:07:54,869 --> 00:07:52,639 strange quality of inertia 194 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:54,879 this new concept of inertia also points 195 00:07:59,589 --> 00:07:56,960 to a new understanding of gravity since 196 00:08:02,150 --> 00:07:59,599 gravity and inertia are inextricably 197 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:02,160 mixed and intertwined 198 00:08:06,869 --> 00:08:03,840 it was pointed out that there was recent 199 00:08:08,869 --> 00:08:06,879 success in manipulating atomic processes 200 00:08:11,189 --> 00:08:08,879 by controlling zero-point fields in the 201 00:08:13,270 --> 00:08:11,199 lab if they are right 202 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:13,280 that both gravity and inertia stem from 203 00:08:17,589 --> 00:08:15,280 the zero point field then someday we 204 00:08:22,550 --> 00:08:17,599 might be able to manipulate both this in 205 00:08:27,189 --> 00:08:25,350 now in 1994 theoretical physicist at the 206 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:27,199 university of wales published a paper 207 00:08:32,070 --> 00:08:29,520 called the warp drive hyper fast travel 208 00:08:34,149 --> 00:08:32,080 within general relativity 209 00:08:36,709 --> 00:08:34,159 this showed it is theoretically possible 210 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:36,719 to distort space to allow warp speed 211 00:08:41,750 --> 00:08:38,880 travel to literally expand the volume of 212 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:41,760 space and time behind the starship 213 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:44,000 while compressing it up ahead sort of 214 00:08:48,070 --> 00:08:46,080 like feeding the tent pole through its 215 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:48,080 sleeve by bunching up the fabric ahead 216 00:08:53,030 --> 00:08:51,200 and pulling it along behind 217 00:08:54,790 --> 00:08:53,040 the position of a spaceship within such 218 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:54,800 a distortion would change relative to 219 00:08:58,230 --> 00:08:56,480 its destination 220 00:09:00,949 --> 00:08:58,240 yet the ship itself need not actually 221 00:09:02,550 --> 00:09:00,959 move at all so maybe someone one day 222 00:09:05,829 --> 00:09:02,560 will be able to give the order warp 223 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:08,550 okay moving on lastly to black holes and 224 00:09:13,509 --> 00:09:10,800 parallel universes 225 00:09:16,310 --> 00:09:13,519 well as you may be aware 226 00:09:18,550 --> 00:09:16,320 the large hydrogen collider or hadron 227 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:18,560 collider that's better than it the large 228 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:21,600 canine colliders that's it 229 00:09:25,350 --> 00:09:23,600 at the certain center in geneva is about 230 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:25,360 to be fired up again to its highest 231 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:27,680 energy levels in a bid to detect or 232 00:09:35,590 --> 00:09:33,350 now the experiment will undoubtedly 233 00:09:37,269 --> 00:09:35,600 inflame critics of the lhc many of whom 234 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:37,279 initially warned that the high-energy 235 00:09:40,550 --> 00:09:39,120 particle collider would spell the end of 236 00:09:42,949 --> 00:09:40,560 our universe with the creation of a 237 00:09:44,710 --> 00:09:42,959 black hole of its own 238 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:44,720 it is the scientist's belief that the 239 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:47,040 key to finding parallel universes may 240 00:09:52,230 --> 00:09:48,720 come from detecting miniature black 241 00:09:54,070 --> 00:09:52,240 holes at certain energy levels 242 00:09:56,070 --> 00:09:54,080 the detection of the mini black holes 243 00:09:57,829 --> 00:09:56,080 would in fact indicate the existence of 244 00:10:00,070 --> 00:09:57,839 extra dimensions which would support 245 00:10:01,430 --> 00:10:00,080 string theory and related models that 246 00:10:05,350 --> 00:10:01,440 predict the existence of extra 247 00:10:07,509 --> 00:10:05,360 dimensions as well as parallel universes 248 00:10:09,829 --> 00:10:07,519 up to now the lhc has only been fired up 249 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:09,839 to energy levels incapable of detecting 250 00:10:12,949 --> 00:10:11,440 black holes 251 00:10:14,870 --> 00:10:12,959 however that's about to change with this 252 00:10:17,269 --> 00:10:14,880 new experiment 253 00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:17,279 if successful a completely new universe 254 00:10:21,430 --> 00:10:18,880 stretches 255 00:10:23,430 --> 00:10:21,440 a new universe will be revealed actually 256 00:10:24,630 --> 00:10:23,440 rewrite rewriting not only the physics 257 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:24,640 books 258 00:10:30,790 --> 00:10:29,120 it could even mean that in fact the 259 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:30,800 universe stretches back in time 260 00:10:35,430 --> 00:10:33,040 infinitely which would blow the big bang 261 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:35,440 theory over the water indicating that it 262 00:10:39,910 --> 00:10:38,160 never actually occurred 263 00:10:42,949 --> 00:10:39,920 so is this another step towards 264 00:10:44,630 --> 00:10:42,959 disclosure quite possibly 265 00:10:46,069 --> 00:10:44,640 do the people in the know know that 266 00:10:48,310 --> 00:10:46,079 alien beans are coming from another 267 00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:48,320 dimension hence the amount of efforts 268 00:10:53,829 --> 00:10:50,160 being put into this incredible project 269 00:10:55,990 --> 00:10:53,839 at cern again quite possibly 270 00:10:58,069 --> 00:10:56,000 so in conclusion i would say to all 271 00:10:59,990 --> 00:10:58,079 skeptics just realize that we're still 272 00:11:01,509 --> 00:11:00,000 in the infancy of our knowledge and 273 00:11:04,069 --> 00:11:01,519 there's one hell of a lot to learn and 274 00:11:05,269 --> 00:11:04,079 be revealed but we are progressing very 275 00:11:07,269 --> 00:11:05,279 quickly 276 00:11:09,190 --> 00:11:07,279 i'm sure it won't be long before i and 277 00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:09,200 everyone else in this room who has the